Jiffy Dos

[zeke1312]

I have a C128 and a 1581. Can a Jiffy Dos for a C64 and 1541 work? I assume I need a Jiffy Dos designed specific for the C128 and 1581.

[Mangelore]

You need the 128 and 1581 versions of JiffyDOS.

[Andrew Wiskow]

Mangelore is right.  See here to get 'em.  

-Andrew

[Guest]

Mangelore is right.  See here to get 'em.

He,He, it's labeled "(Maurice)DOS".

Dan...

[zeke1312]

Unfortunately for me, I am not able to contact him! The web site "sees" I'm trying to register but won't accept my sign on. Oh, I tried emailing cmdrkey.com. No response. Must not want to make any money.

[Guest]

Unfortunately for me, I am not able to contact him! The web site "sees" I'm trying to register but won't accept my sign on. Oh, I tried emailing cmdrkey.com. No response. Must not want to make any money.

You're being very fortunate.  All anecdotal evidence the last few months points to him not fulfilling any orders, not even for JiffyDOS.

[zeke1312]

OK. I received an email from Francois Leveille with his price list. I assume you mean that cmdrkey is the skeptical source while Francois Leveille is a good source? My previous post was not clearly stated.

[Andrew Wiskow]

OK. I received an email from Francois Leveille with his price list. I assume you mean that cmdrkey is the skeptical source while Francois Leveille is a good source? My previous post was not clearly stated.

That is correct.  

-Andrew

[Golan Klinger]

Maurice Randall and Click Here Software are the only purveyors of legitimate JiffYDOS (used notwithstanding) but he/they don't ship prodcut. Francois Leveille is a purveyor of illegitimate JiffYDOS and he does ship and promptly at that. You can purchase from him with confidence. It's worth noting that he charges a very small amount, just enough to cover parts and labour. He's not raking in the dough with this enterprise. He is doing it to help the community.

Speaking of JiffyDOS clones, here' a story you might find interesting. There's a guy in eBay (basicwayne) who sells illegitimate copies of JiffyDOS for quite a bit of money and, here's the kicker, he puts fake stickers on them to make them look real. He tells potential customers that they're legitimate and they are NOT. Recently he had a few bids on his knock-offs from someone whose eBay ID is mauricerandall. Shortly before the auction(s) ended the bids were cancelled and the auctions removed. For the first time in months basicwayne didn't have any JiffyDOS for sale and now he's back selling them again. This is going to get ugly.

[airship]

What's interesting about that (if the guy called mauricerandall really is Maurice Randall) is that he's not filling orders himself, but is trolling eBay to make sure nobody else is selling it, either.

[Golan Klinger]

What's interesting about that (if the guy called mauricerandall really is Maurice Randall) is that he's not filling orders himself, but is trolling eBay to make sure nobody else is selling it, either.

Part 1: It is *that* Maurice.
Part 2: He was tipped off.

Regardless, it is interesting that he's interesting in defending his IP but not satisfying the demand that leads to piracy.

[Andrew Wiskow]

Sounds to me like time wasted that could be put to better use doing other things... like filling orders[/i]!  :förbannad:

-Andrew

[pearsoe]

Is the Jiffy1571D.rom in this archive http://cottonwood.servebbs.com/JiffyDOS.zip the correct ROM for the 1571 drive or is it for the 1571 in the 128D?  If it isn't is there somewhere to get the correct ROM for the 1571?

[Golan Klinger]

Is the Jiffy1571D.rom in this archive http://cottonwood.servebbs.com/JiffyDOS.zip the correct ROM for the 1571 drive or is it for the 1571 in the 128D?  If it isn't is there somewhere to get the correct ROM for the 1571?

It's the ROM image for the 128D's internal disk drive. The image for the 1571 is NOT included in the archive at Andrew's website. I made that archive available and Andrew took the liberty of rehosting the images on his website (he has a habit of unilaterally commandeering projects) before I was able to complete the archive. I'll be damned if I'm going to send him the missing images. If he's so keen, he can dump them himself.

[Andrew Wiskow]

All I have ever tried to do was help people out and make things available that weren't previously readily available.  I took over maintaining a detailed list of Commodore BBS's that hadn't been done for over three years.  I've hosted several documents on my website that I wasn't able to find anywhere on the Internet.  I added the archive of JiffyDOS ROM's to my website when Golan made the link available on Lemon64 to an obscure, not easy to find file hosting service.  Like everything else I've hosted on my site, I thought it'd be nice to have it in a place that was easier to find.

I've received nothing but compliments for everything I've ever done in my ongoing support of the Commodore community...  That is, except from Golan.  I've never unilaterally commandeered a project; at least not knowingly.  The detailed BBS List that I took over maintaining was previously maintained by Snakeman.  I tried to contact him for his permission to take over the list before doing it.  After getting no response from him, I decided to go ahead and do it.  I always try to give credit where credit is due, and I made it known that the initial "short list" of BBS's came from the list that Golan had up on the PETSCII forum.  But all the detailed information that I added was gathered by me by getting in touch with each and every SysOp of every BBS.  And I update the list monthly by continuing to call each and every BBS, adding new BBS's and deleting old BBS's when necessary.  The collection of JiffyDOS ROM's, like I said, was provided by Golan as well, and I've never told anyone anything contrary to that fact.  I didn't intend to come off as "unilaterally commandeering a project".  I was merely trying to make a useful collection of ROM's more readily available.  If Golan had a problem with me hosting this collection of ROM's, all he had to do was ask me to remove it.  If he were to put up a website with a regularly updated collection of these ROM's, I'd really have no reason to host it on mine, and I'd just direct people to his.  But as far as I know, this collection still isn't readily available anywhere, so I've continued to host it for anyone who wants it.  I can only assume from his comment here that Golan apparently believes that these ROM's should only be made available to a select group of people who he deems fit.

I've never had a personal problem with Golan, nor anyone in the Commodore community for that matter, but he apparently has a personal problem with me.  I apparently can't do the right thing in his eyes, so all I can do is go on with my life and continue to help others whenever I can.  I'd like to do the right thing in the eyes of 100% of the Commodore community, but apparently I'll just have to be happy with 99.99%.

'nuff said.

-Andrew

[Guest]

'nuff said.

-Andrew

:hurra:

Dan...

[Golan Klinger]

That was quite the performance, Andrew. Itzhak Perlman couldn't have done any better.

I added the archive of JiffyDOS ROM's to my website when Golan made the link available on Lemon64 to an obscure, not easy to find file hosting service.

The location of the file archive was my choice and intentional. If I had wanted to register jiffydos.org and put them there, I would have.

Like everything else I've hosted on my site, I thought it'd be nice to have it in a place that was easier to find.

I must have missed the email where you asked me how I felt about that.

I've received nothing but compliments for everything I've ever done in my ongoing support of the Commodore community...  That is, except from Golan.

Perhaps that's because I'm one of the few people who says what I think. Your actions and tireless self-promotion have been discussed a few times behind closed virtual doors and I'm not alone in being tired of your behaviour. That really isn't the point though.

I can only assume from his comment here that Golan apparently believes that these ROM's should only be made available to a select group of people who he deems fit.

I trust you know what your assumption makes you.

I might remind you that when you showed up in the 'community' a little more than a year ago, I was one of the first to welcome you and I helped you as best I could. Let me assure you that my opinion of you wasn't formed capriciously. Anyway, this discussion is pointless because you just don't get where I'm coming from and leopards don't change their spots.

[Andrew Wiskow]

I must have missed the email where you asked me how I felt about that.

You didn't miss the e-mail, because I never sent one.  In fact, it wasn't until your post earlier today that I ever had any idea that it was your collection of JiffyDOS ROM's.  There's nothing in the zip file that gives any hint that it's your collection, you never said that it was your collection on Lemon64, and like I said, it was on a fileserver that was not easy to find.  There was nothing there that said "Golan's fileserver" that I can recall, and you never mentioned in your post on Lemon64 that it was yours.  As best as I can recall, you just gave the link to it in a post with not much else said.

Perhaps that's because I'm one of the few people who says what I think. Your actions and tireless self-promotion have been discussed a few times behind closed virtual doors and I'm not alone in being tired of your behaviour. That really isn't the point though.

What you've somehow misconstrued as "tireless self-promotion" is nothing of the sort.  I have nothing to gain from what I've done.  It's all been for the joy of the hobby, and I've done my best to help others as much as possible.

I might remind you that when you showed up in the 'community' a little more than a year ago, I was one of the first to welcome you and I helped you as best I could. Let me assure you that my opinion of you wasn't formed capriciously. Anyway, this discussion is pointless because you just don't get where I'm coming from and leopards don't change their spots.

Yes, I do remember that you were both welcoming and helpful twoard me, and I've tried to be just as welcoming and helpful twoards others who are "new to the fold".  In fact, it wasn't until I started maintaining that long-dead detailed list of BBS's that you had anything unkind to say to me.  If there's something that I don't "get", then I wish that you'd explain it to me instead of talking about me behind "closed virtual doors", as you've said.  You say that leopards don't change their spots.  Well, if changing my spots requires that I be less helpful twoards others, then no, that probably isn't going to happen.  But if I've slighted you in some way, you only need to tell me what I need to do to make things right, and I'll try my best to be accomodating.  Do you want to take over maintining the detailed list of BBS's on a monthly basis?  Be my guest...  It'd be less work for me to do and more time I can spend with my family.  Would you like me to take the collection of JiffyDOS ROM's off of my website?  Just tell me so.  But on the flipside, if you don't have a place of your own to host it, and you'd like to help me keep it updated with the latest ROM's, that would certainly be appreciated.

Bottom line...  Say what you want to say to my face and not behind my back.  Differences can be resolved much more quickly that way.

-Andrew

[RobertB]

What you've somehow misconstrued as "tireless self-promotion" is nothing of the sort.  I have nothing to gain from what I've done.  It's all been for the joy of the hobby, and I've done my best to help others as much as possible.

Andrew is a benefit to the C= community.  His efforts to further the cause of our Commodore hobby are generous and unselfish.

Sincerely,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/

[Guest]

Sounds to me like time wasted that could be put to better use doing other things... like filling orders[/i]!  :förbannad:

-Andrew

What killed me was that he had time to port JiffyDOS to the VIC, plus/4 and 16, but didn't have time to go through several years worth of repairs that people have sent to him.

[zeke1312]

I ordered my set of Jiffy Dos chips for my C128 and 1581 yesterday from Francois. USD $35.00 for both sets!:)

[zeke1312]

I ordered my set of Jiffy Dos chips for my C128 and 1581 yesterday from Francois. USD $35.00 for both sets!:)

[RobertB]

What killed me was that he had time to port JiffyDOS to the VIC, plus/4 and 16...

C16?  I've not heard that Maurice made a version for the C16.

Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/

[Andrew Wiskow]

Just to further clarify things...  I did some digging just now and found Golan's post on Lemon64 that I originally got the collection on JiffyDOS ROM's from.  It's dated 23Jan07:

If you're interested in JiffyDOS and can't be bothered visiting Arnold, you might want to click here (that link will initiate a download). This isn't a violation of Lemon's rules as the software is already in the biggest archive of freely and legally available 64 software. If Maurice objects I'm sure he'll send make that known publicly.

As you can see, Golan says nothing in this post about this being his collection.  The link still works, and if you follow it, you'll see nothing there that would lead a person to believe that it's his.  And finally, on my own website where I've hosted this collection, there is nowhere that it says "Andrew's collection of JiffyDOS ROM's" or anything that would lead anyone to believe that I was trying to take credit for it.  I'm just merely making it available.

-Andrew

[Andrew Wiskow]

Andrew is a benefit to the C= community.  His efforts to further the cause of our Commodore hobby are generous and unselfish.

Thanks for the kind words, Robert.  This is precisely how I've hoped my efforts would be seen by everyone.  Unfortunately, it appears I'll just have to accept the fact that there will always be people who will be malcontent no matter what I try to do.

BTW - You may notice on my website that the second-to-last link on the page, right before the link to the JiffyDOS ROM's, is a D64 of TouchTerm v3.7.  I searched for this, found it, made a d64 of it, and put it up there after Golan asked for it on the PETSCII forums.  I never got any thanks from him or anyone else for my efforts on this, and I never asked for anything either.

-Andrew