Is it just my computer or are all the posts in the forum now centered ?
I'm not seeing that (or any change for that matter).
Quote from: strandedinnzIs it just my computer or are all the posts in the forum now centered ?
IE6 ?
Lance
I've got IE6 and it's centered for me. I makes everything here look like poetry. :)
Quote from: adminQuote from: strandedinnzIs it just my computer or are all the posts in the forum now centered ?
IE6 ?
Lance
Well IE7 at work .. but now I'm home on the Mac using Safari everything looks normal again.
Mark
Quote from: jt-3dI've got IE6 and it's centered for me. I makes everything here look like poetry. :)
Ok, IE6 & 7 don't like the formatting options in the main template (bloody typical), why oh why can't M$ follow standards ?
I'll work on it when I get home from work in a couple of hours.
Lance
Should be "IE" compatible again.
(bah, humbug) :)
Quote from: adminShould be "IE" compatible again.
(bah, humbug) :)
I'm still seeing everything centered.
Quote from: smfQuote from: adminShould be "IE" compatible again.
(bah, humbug) :)
I'm still seeing everything centered.
Doesn't centre under IE 7 or Firefox, what browser are you running ?
Lance
Yup I have the poetry thing going on still as well ... I blame the sysadmin, obviously clueless! ;-)
IE6 only by the look of things....
Fiddled with the template again - think I've clobbered it this time.
Now can we all start using Firefox ? :)
Lance
Anyone who uses IE deserves to see garbled pages.
Just my opinion... :)
No real choice at work though as most our internal applications are IE only .. ho hum!
But I see it's all back to "normal" again :-)
Mark
Quote from: adminQuote from: smfQuote from: adminShould be "IE" compatible again.
(bah, humbug) :)
I'm still seeing everything centered.
Doesn't centre under IE 7 or Firefox, what browser are you running ?
Lance
IE7 on vista, seems fine now though.
Goodo, now I'll think I'll send a copy of Firefox to all our IE users :)
Quote from: adminGoodo, now I'll think I'll send a copy of Firefox to all our IE users :)
I only have 1gb, I'd only be able to run it for 5 minutes.
I think it's funny how the people behind a bad memory leaking software claims a moral victory over IE. It's all about spin and marketting, firefox.com should get into politics.
Quote from: smfQuote from: adminGoodo, now I'll think I'll send a copy of Firefox to all our IE users :)
I only have 1gb, I'd only be able to run it for 5 minutes.
I think it's funny how the people behind a bad memory leaking software claims a moral victory over IE. It's all about spin and marketting, firefox.com should get into politics.
It's all about stability, security & standards - something IE doesn't have in any great quantities.....
cheers,
Lance
SMF, that's funny... I only have 512K of memory and I run the latest version of Firefox concurrently with Thunderbird CONSTANTLY, usually with Visio, Paint Shop Pro, and/or Word running as well. I've never had a single problem.
And the fact that Firefox properly displays web pages that follow standards, whereas IE doesn't, speaks for itself.
My credentials: I wrote 22 books about Netscape in particular and HTML in general, so I know a little bit about what I'm talking about.
Quote from: airshipSMF, that's funny... I only have 512K of memory...
Uhh... I'm hoping you mean you have 512MB of memory... You can't even install Windows 3.1 with only 512KB of memory! Of course, if you were talking about a C128 with 512KB of memory, you'd be all set! ;)
-Andrew
It's tough switching mentally from 8-bit to 32-bit all the time. I keep thinking that 512K is a HUGE amount of memory! ;)
airship: What kind of RAM does your computer use? I have all kinds of spare RAM modules laying around and I would gladly send you some if you could use them.
Golan, I don't even want to open up this old dinosaur again. Every time I patch it, it puts off my upgrading to a straight Linux box. :)
But thanks for the offer!
Quote from: airshipSMF, that's funny... I only have 512K of memory and I run the latest version of Firefox concurrently with Thunderbird CONSTANTLY, usually with Visio, Paint Shop Pro, and/or Word running as well. I've never had a single problem.
And the fact that Firefox properly displays web pages that follow standards, whereas IE doesn't, speaks for itself.
Weird as loads of people have been moaning about firefox leaking memory for ages.
I personally find that more web sites look better with IE than firefox. I did get stumped by a website that refused to open unless I installed firefox, but I can't even remember what that site was now & no I didn't bother installing it again.
No web browser follows the standards 100%, there was a test suite a while back that absolutely none of them passed. Another problem is that most web sites don't follow the standards either, so while the page might look fine on firefox or IE it doesn't mean that it will display correctly on all of them. You often have to put different code into your pages because of the differences between jscript/javascript, which leaves the door wide open for sites that work with one but not the other down to the web programmers personal choice.
Anyway, I was just sticking up for IE as I am perfectly happy with it. If you don't want firefox bashed then don't bash IE.
Quote from: smfNo web browser follows the standards 100%, there was a test suite a while back that absolutely none of them passed.
The standards test is called the
Acid2 test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid2) and Safari, Apple's browser, was the first to pass the test way back on October 31, 2005 and for the record, IE has never passed it.
QuoteAnyway, I was just sticking up for IE as I am perfectly happy with it. If you don't want firefox bashed then don't bash IE.
How is it bashing to say something doesn't comply with standards when it doesn't?
Quote from: smfYou often have to put different code into your pages because of the differences between jscript/javascript, which leaves the door wide open for sites that work with one but not the other down to the web programmers personal choice.
You oughtta see the patches that are in the CSS files here so that the pages display correctly in IE. To make it worse, you need different hacks for IE6 & IE7...
I'll probably drop support completely for IE6 before too long. If people must use IE I see no reason that they shouldn't 'upgrade' to IE7. I don't bother testing with IE6 anymore.
Testing here is done for Firefox 1.5 & 2.0, Safari, Opera, Netscape (8 & 9), Lynx (believe it or not) & IE7.
All bar IE7 work with bog standard CSS.
In fact IE is in decline on this site at least, stats for the last week :
Firefox
910 visitors, 53.44% of traffic
Internet Explorer
462 visitors, 27.13% of traffic
Safari
205 visitors, 12.04% of traffic
Opera
81 visitors, 4.76% of traffic
Mozilla
32 visitors, 1.88% of traffic (this is actually Netscape)
The IE breakdown is :
7.0 - 278
6.0 - 183
5.0 - 1 <- own up whoever you are! :)
This is fairly consistent, in nearly two years of running the site IE has never had more than 35% of the browser share here and that has been dropping by about 1% a month lately.
With close on 20 CSS files that need manipulating it's a serious pain to have to puts in hacks to make IE's rendering engine display the pages properly!
cheers,
Lance
Quote from: adminWith close on 20 CSS files that need manipulating it's a serious pain to have to puts in hacks to make IE's rendering engine display the pages properly!
I understand about having to work round issues, I've had to work round hardware issues before and it can be annoying. I'm suprised that people have problems reporting issues to the IE team and getting them fixed, the rest of microsoft are actually quite good with their PR.
Sure drop support for IE6, I haven't used it in ages.
I am loving the irony of browser popularity. How is the c128 market share doing? :-)
Anyway, what was the cause of the centering text?
Quote from: gklingerQuote from: smfNo web browser follows the standards 100%, there was a test suite a while back that absolutely none of them passed.
The standards test is called the Acid2 test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid2) and Safari, Apple's browser, was the first to pass the test way back on October 31, 2005 and for the record, IE has never passed it.
Actually it wasn't acid2 I was thinking of, but hey.
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/19/internet-explorer-8-and-acid2-a-milestone.aspx
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Way back in '96 when I wrote my first HTML book, a lot of space was devoted to how to make a page work in both Netscape and Internet Explorer. And with every version of IE it's been the same story. Microsoft always says that they've 'improved' their engine and 'extended' HTML/CSS/Javascript (whatever) to give 'more capability' to web designers, and it's up to them to make their pages conform with Microsoft's vision. They don't have any concept of industry-developed standards. If they're not dictating, they dictate anyway.
Quote from: smfAnyway, what was the cause of the centering text?
IE not interpreting the main template code correctly.
cheers,
Lance
Quote from: smfActually it wasn't acid2 I was thinking of, but hey.
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/19/internet-explorer-8-and-acid2-a-milestone.aspx
That's great. Say, where can a person download IE 8? ;)
QuoteWay back in '96 when I wrote my first HTML book, a lot of space was devoted to how to make a page work in both Netscape and Internet Explorer.
Netscape did whatever they wanted, too. Microsoft may have given us annoying MARQUEEs, but remember it was Netscape who set the online world BLINKing. Personally I think neither company should be forgiven for their part in making possible the hellish nightmare of Geocities. :P
I long for the days when Geocities was considered nightmarish. Have you been to a Myspace page lately? I went to one once and I think it damaged my DNA. :)