I'm looking for a collection of programs for the C128 called "The Compleat Lee O.", which was mentioned in issue 14 of C= Hacking. It's described as a "collection of programs submitted to Loadstar to be put out on their 128 Loadstar disks. The programmer, Leo O. Clinton, tried to help fill the barren field of 80 column programming."
The program I'm specifically looking for from that disk is called "auto expense". If anyone knows where I can get "The Compleat Lee O." or just the program called "Auto Expense", I'd appreciate the help. My searches on the Internet have turned up nothing, and this doesn't appear to be included in "Loadstar Compleat".
Anyone? ... Anyone? ...
Bueller?
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on October 12, 2008, 06:30 PM
If anyone knows where I can get "The Compleat Lee O." or just the program called "Auto Expense", I'd appreciate the help. My searches on the Internet have turned up nothing, and this doesn't appear to be included in "Loadstar Compleat".
Andrew, have you directly contacted Dave Moorman, current editor of Loadstar, or Fender Tucker, former editor of Loadstar?
Thought about... finally made a reply,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
CommVEx v5 info - http://www.commodore.ca/forum and click on ComVEX
No, I haven't... Since it's a collection of C128 programs, I was hoping that someone here would have it. It isn't mentioned anywhere on Fender's Loadstar Compleat website. I'll try sending Dave Moorman an e-mail and see if he knows anything about it...
Okay... I sent Dave Moorman an e-mail... I'm just waiting to hear back from him now.
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on October 31, 2008, 11:37 AMI'm just waiting to hear back from him now.
If he doesn't respond quickly, you can always telephone him.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
CommVEx v5 info - http://www.commodore.ca/forum and click on ComVEX
Quote from: RobertB on October 31, 2008, 11:42 AMIf he doesn't respond quickly, you can always telephone him.
Well, nevermind that I don't have his phone number, it really isn't THAT urgent. I just thought it'd be cool to track my gas mileage on my C128. ;)
Come to think of it, if anyone knows of another gas mileage tracking program for either the C64 or C128, please let me know. I did some searching, and the reference to this program was the only one I could find. But I imagine there were probably others...
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on November 01, 2008, 08:04 AMCome to think of it, if anyone knows of another gas mileage tracking program for either the C64 or C128, please let me know.
Couldn't you do the same thing with a C= database or a spreadsheet?
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
CommVEx v5 info - http://www.commodore.ca/forum and click on ComVEX
Quote from: RobertB on November 01, 2008, 06:00 PMCouldn't you do the same thing with a C= database or a spreadsheet?
Of course, but finding the description for this program piqued my interest. It made me wonder what sort of "features" were written into the program. Or is it just a simple spreadsheet program? And it was written for the C128, so it must be
really special. ;)
O.K., I just got off the phone with Dave Moorman of Loadstar. We had a nice conversation that spanned several subjects, like Commodore shows, DotBasic, Commodore traveling, hardware, Loadstar, and the Compleat Lee O.. As to the last one, he doesn't have Lee O. in his collection. Therefore, Fender Tucker may be the only source.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
CommVEx v5 info - http://www.commodore.ca/forum and click on ComVEX
Quote from: me on November 02, 2008, 08:30 AMTherefore, Fender Tucker may be the only source.
I've sent an inquiry to Fender Tucker.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
CommVEx v5 info - http://www.commodore.ca/forum and click on ComVEX
Thanks for your help, Robert. My brother-in-law and nephew arrived here from Brazil today, so I'm going to be extremely busy playing sightseeing guide for the next week or so. ;)
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on November 03, 2008, 06:36 AMMy brother-in-law and nephew arrived here from Brazil today...
Ooo, ask them about Commodores in Brazil! :-)
Ever curious,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
CommVEx v5 info - http://www.commodore.ca/forum and click on ComVEX
Quote from: RobertB on November 03, 2008, 02:36 PMOoo, ask them about Commodores in Brazil! :-)
Commodore didn't exist in Brazil. At the time that Commodore computers were popular, Brazil was pretty much closed to imports. The Brazilian government at the time made it nearly impossible to import anything from outside of Brazil by imposing a 500%+ import tax.
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on November 04, 2008, 02:29 AM...Brazil was pretty much closed to imports. The Brazilian government at the time made it nearly impossible to import anything from outside of Brazil by imposing a 500%+ import tax.
O.K., ask them about the black market in Commodore computers. :-) Shades of surreptitious smuggling across closed borders!
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
CommVEx v5 info - http://www.commodore.ca/forum and click on ComVEX
Was there a Kernal for Portuguese?
I lived in Brazil in 1991-1992, and computers at that time in Brazil were still pretty much a rarity. The only ones I saw while I was there were cheap PC clones.
Quote from: me on November 02, 2008, 03:45 PM
I've sent an inquiry to Fender Tucker.
Fender responded today. Here is part of what he had to say:
"It's good to hear from you. I see you are still ambassadoring for the Commodore computer from various newsletters I receive. Great!
For some reason I didn't include the COMPLEAT LEE O on the COMPLEAT LOADSTAR but all of his programs, including AUTO EXPENSE, are on the CD in the D64 and D81 files for each issue. [In other words, all of Lee O.'s programs are not collected in a group; you have to search each issue on the Compleat Loadstar CD for the Auto Expense program, or use the Loadstar Database to aid in the search.] So they're available.
[snip]
So Andrew can get everything by getting the LS COMPLEAT CD ($24 from me).
[snip]
I wish all loyal Commodoreans the best.
[snip]
I have a book about my years at LOADSTAR in the works."
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
I have a nearly-complete collection of Loadstar on original floppy disks. Does anyone here have access to the Loadstar Database? If so, could you tell me which issue Auto Expense is on?
I think I need to break down and just buy the CD from Fender. ;)
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on November 09, 2008, 02:38 AMDoes anyone here have access to the Loadstar Database? If so, could you tell me which issue Auto Expense is on?
No guarantees but when I return back to my house, I will take a look.
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on November 09, 2008, 02:38 AMI think I need to break down and just buy the CD from Fender. ;)
Yeah, you'll get all of the Loadstar 128 issues and .pdf's of all the Loadstar Letters (that include some of my very first national articles, which I wrote especially for Loadstar).
Met with the Amigaclub.be members yesterday
in Los Angeles,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
Not to mention, who knows how much longer these floppy disks will really last... At least on a CD, the stuff is preserved for much longer. :)
Quote from: me on November 08, 2008, 03:09 AM
Fender responded today. Here is part of what he had to say...
Fender sent me a follow-up today. This is what he said:
"After what I wrote before, I checked out LOADSTAR COMPLEAT and in the folder called "Serious Stuff" there's the D81 versions of THE COMPLEAT LEE O. So the Commodorean doesn't have to hunt for the Clinton programs."
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
Awesome! I'll be placing my order for Loadstar Compleat soon. :)
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on November 20, 2008, 09:48 AM
Awesome! I'll be placing my order for Loadstar Compleat soon. :)
Check your email. :)
Quote from: Golan Klinger on November 20, 2008, 02:34 PM
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on November 20, 2008, 09:48 AM
Awesome! I'll be placing my order for Loadstar Compleat soon. :)
Check your email. :)
I should've said that I'm going to place an order for Loadstar Compleat *now*, because that's exactly what I did... Nonetheless, I appreciate your offer. :)
H'okay. If anyone needs a copy of the Loadstar Compleat, send me a PM. I've got one going begging. I asked for it for Christmas a fear years ago and ended up with multiple copies. It's worth it for the extra Lode Runner levels alone. :)
My Loadstar Compleat CD arrived in the mail today! Now I've got to set aside some time to look through it and find that Auto Expense program I was looking for... I'll probably give a short review of it here after I've given it a trial run. :)
This thread inspired me to order a copy of the CD from Fender. I received it just before the holiday, so I haven't had time to play with it yet. But it feels good to have it on hand. I played the "used to be the editor of INFO" card and Fender included a 1993 copy of his catalog, so I have a near-complete printed index of the disks. At least, I THINK I got special treatment; did others get this, too, or did I actually impress him? :)
Jim Brain promises USB connectivity for the uIEC with access to the PC's hard drive and CD-ROM, so that'll give my C128 a way to read it directly. That's obviously a feature that's well worth waiting for.
Quote from: airship on December 02, 2008, 02:57 AM
This thread inspired me to order a copy of the CD from Fender. I received it just before the holiday, so I haven't had time to play with it yet.
O.K., I have the Compleat Loadstar around here some place. :)
Quote from: airship on December 02, 2008, 02:57 AMI played the "used to be the editor of INFO" card and Fender included a 1993 copy of his catalog, so I have a near-complete printed index of the disks. At least, I THINK I got special treatment; did others get this, too, or did I actually impress him? :)
I guess you got the special treatment! I never got that catalog. :)
Recovering from my Thanksgiving travels,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
Southern California Commodore/Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org/
I got the catalog, too. The CD was inside of a 5.25" disk cover, and that was inside of the catalog, which in turn was inside the mailing envelope. The CD has the date that it was written printed on it, and the date is also on the CD's title that comes up when you put it in a PC's CD-ROM drive. Very nicely produced! :)
I had time to play with the Auto Expense program a little bit, and it's a very well written program that runs in the C128's 80-column mode. It lets you track not only fuel expenses, but also vehicle repair and other expenses. You can display a fuel economy line graph to the screen, and I think you have the option to print it, too. And it has no problem with post-Y2K dates! :)
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on December 04, 2008, 01:46 PMI got the catalog, too. The CD was inside of a 5.25" disk cover, and that was inside of the catalog, which in turn was inside the mailing envelope. The CD has the date that it was written printed on it, and the date is also on the CD's title that comes up when you put it in a PC's CD-ROM drive.
Shucks, I wanted to be special. Looks like I got the same exact package you did, Andrew.
Obviously, Fender likes us better than he likes Robert. :)
I got the catalog too. I suppose I should look at that one of these days.
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on December 04, 2008, 01:46 PMI had time to play with the Auto Expense program a little bit, and it's a very well written program that runs in the C128's 80-column mode.
Since I have not actively searched for that program among my goodies, can you tell me if it is written in Basic 7.0? If so, the code can be crunched or compiled.
Trying to get every bit of speed out
of such programs,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
Southern California Commodore/Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org/
Quote from: RobertB on December 05, 2008, 04:45 PMSince I have not actively searched for that program among my goodies, can you tell me if it is written in Basic 7.0? If so, the code can be crunched or compiled.
I'll check that out later and get back to you... I'm working the night shift the next couple days (10PM - 8AM), so I won't be able to get to it for a few days, but I will eventually... :)
Quote from: Andrew Wiskow on December 05, 2008, 04:51 PMI'm working the night shift the next couple days (10PM - 8AM)...
Oy! More like the graveyard shift. Peter Hanson, the Plus4 king of England, knows that schedule well.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
Southern California Commodore/Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org/
Quote from: RobertB on December 05, 2008, 05:00 PMOy! More like the graveyard shift. Peter Hanson, the Plus4 king of England, knows that schedule well.
Yup yup... :)
I'm covering for one of the ladies that works this shift for a couple days while she's visiting family on the East Coast.
I used to work swing shift on the railroad: two days of first, two days of second, and two days of third each week. If you figure it out, you actually alternate 16 hours off with 24 hours off all week long. You never get more than 24 hours off at a time! It really, really sucked. Fortunately, I was just doing summer vacation subbing, and the guy who worked swing only had four weeks of vacation. I absolutely do not know how he worked that 48 weeks a year! :(
I really can't complain about the hours I have now. I work 10 hours a day, Wednesday through Saturday, so I have Sunday through Tuesday off every week. Sure beats working on an aircraft carrier out at sea, 12 hours minimum per day, 7 days a week!