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Commodore 128 => Herdware => Topic started by: Mark Smith on June 19, 2009, 07:35 AM

Title: Terrible video quality on LCDs ?
Post by: Mark Smith on June 19, 2009, 07:35 AM
Hi there,

I've a nice fancy 32" Samsung LCD (1080p etc etc), if I plug in the s-video output of my C128 I get hideous artifacts on screen ... almost like if you encode video with MPEG at a low bitrate.

Anyone else have this issue ?

I've turned off the "dynamic" smarts of the LCD but still the same.

Using the s-video output on a CRT is of course great (apart from the nasty vertical bands on the VIC-II output .. whch seems to be part of the C128)

The LD is also fantastic with other s-video outputs from the DVD player and of course via HDMA and the PS3 with Blu-ray is like comparing VHS to DVD :-)

Mark
Title: Re: Terrible video quality on LCDs ?
Post by: Mark Smith on June 19, 2009, 06:52 PM
It's possible the svideo signal is overly strong, was reading a usenet posting about someone who hacked a c64 to output svideo by removing the RF modulator, he had to tame the luminance (I think) with a resistor.

Think that could be it ?

Title: Re: Terrible video quality on LCDs ?
Post by: commodorejohn on June 20, 2009, 12:18 AM
How much like MPEG artifacts are we talking, here? If it's fine on a CRT but chokes on a digital LCD, maybe the converter in the LCD TV for some stupid reason compresses the image? Is there another digital TV you can test it with?
Title: Re: Terrible video quality on LCDs ?
Post by: zap on June 26, 2009, 11:08 PM
This seems common, i have connected many c64 and c128 to LCD TV monitors and found the picture to be shaky and or blurry :( I have also found the best way of getting great picture quality is by using a svideo to c= lead. these can be found on eBay for around $15. eBay item (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Commodore-S-video-cable-c64-128-Monitor-A-V-wire-video_W0QQitemZ260308013015QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3c9b910fd7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50) hope this helps.
Title: Re: Terrible video quality on LCDs ?
Post by: maraud on June 30, 2009, 02:07 PM
I've found the "best" solution is a LCD TV, with a VGA input.  I got a 15" LCD TV (which handles the composite input) and then to a CGA-VGA conversion with the Arcade board (details on this site).  Good news is that I found that board on eBay new for about $50 and then with $4 in parts from radio-shack....  All good!

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