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Title: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on August 25, 2010, 09:10 PM
Hi!

Today arrived my RAMLink.

I had ready 1541-II PSU for it. Problem is connector.
It's too small. How to power supply RAMLink or which reduction to do from standard 1541-II PSU connector to RAMLink power connector?

In attachment are pictures which can help to recognize type of power port and serial number. I know that were manufactured 3 versions of RAMLink, so maybe serial helps to identify. I added also photo of connectors inside RAMLink.

Please help.

Many thanks for every answer.

Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: RobertB on August 26, 2010, 02:24 AM
Quote from: MIRKOSOFT on August 25, 2010, 09:10 PM
I had ready 1541-II PSU for it. Problem is connector.
My original answer to you was at

http://www.commodore128.org/index.php?topic=3483.msg17066#msg17066 (http://www.commodore128.org/index.php?topic=3483.msg17066#msg17066)

A 1541-II PSU will only work with a RAMLink v1; you have a RAMLink v2.

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Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - can it be this?
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on August 26, 2010, 03:32 AM
Ok, Robert.


Can it be this (picture in attachment):
230 V~ 50 Hz

3 - 4,5 - 6 - 7,5 - 9 - 12 V

max. 1000 mA (I found also 1,5A - damages it RAMLink?)

connectors (mm): 0,75 x 2,4 - 1 x 3 - 1,4 x 3,5 - 1,7 x 4 - 2,1 x 5 - 2,5 x 5,5 - 3 x 6,3 - Jack 2,5 - Jack 3,5

Also, which battery for RAMLink V2?



Many thanks for helping me.


Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - can it be this?
Post by: RobertB on August 26, 2010, 06:21 AM
Quote from: MIRKOSOFT on August 26, 2010, 03:32 AM
Can it be this (picture in attachment):
230 V~ 50 Hz
Heh, well, not exactly the wall power supply I was thinking of, but it should work.
Quote3 - 4,5 - 6 - 7,5 - 9 - 12 V
You need 9 volts.
Quotemax. 1000 mA (I found also 1,5A - damages it RAMLink?)
You need a minimum of 1000 mA (1 amp).  1500 mA (1.5 amps) will not hurt the RL.
Quoteconnectors (mm): 0,75 x 2,4 - 1 x 3 - 1,4 x 3,5 - 1,7 x 4 - 2,1 x 5 - 2,5 x 5,5 - 3 x 6,3 - Jack 2,5 - Jack 3,5
One of those connectors should work.  Center is positive.
QuoteAlso, which battery for RAMLink V2?
I thought someone answered this for you on this forum or on another forum.


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Title: Re: New RAMLink WORKS!
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on August 27, 2010, 05:59 AM
Hi Robert!


Thank you for your help!
My RAMLink now works!
I bought stable PSU which has 1A independent on endurance.


Else again, many thanks!


Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: wte on August 27, 2010, 07:24 AM
I powered my RL unintentionally more than a year with 12 V instead of 9 V It doesn't kill the unit (but I do not recommend to do that).

1 A works. 1.5 A works better (If you want to load the batterie quickly).

One of my RL batteries (big accu unit) is a Panasonic LCR6V10BP

Regards WTE
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, Battery - mistake?
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on August 27, 2010, 07:35 AM
Hi!


Thank you very much for info about RAM Drive.


The battery: in manual is written Leak-acid 6V DC 6,5Ah and non-standard connector...
I got answer where was picture of battery, but really don't know what a type to buy... 
This info will be also helpful.
If you can, please explain it to me (you wrote that you damaged your device: MeH instead of NiCd; maybe that was a big mistake) and I don't want to make the ame mistake.


Many thanks!


Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, Battery - mistake?
Post by: RobertB on August 27, 2010, 03:47 PM
Quote from: MIRKOSOFT on August 27, 2010, 07:35 AM
The battery: in manual is written Leak-acid 6V DC 6,5Ah and non-standard connector...
I got answer where was picture of battery, but really don't know what a type to buy...
This is getting confusing.  I am not going to talk about the RAMDrive; I'm going to talk about the RAMLink... the topic of this discussion.
     The RAMLink battery is a lead-acid, sealed, rechargeable, 6 volt battery.  The size of the battery is approximately 6 inches x 3 1/2 inches x 1 1/2 inches (15.24 centimeters x 8.89 centimeters x 3.81 centimeters).  The original battery was rated at 6.5 amp-hours; that is the minimum amount of storage capacity.  You can get a higher-rated battery like I did; mine is rated at 7 amp-hours.  Go to a well-stocked battery shop or battery store.  Buy the battery there.  In the U.S. I paid about $15 for one.  The non-standard connector is just a 1/8-inch mini-plug; positive is center.

          Now you have all the information,
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Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - battery found?
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on August 27, 2010, 04:22 PM
Hi!
Yes, topic is about RAMLink, RAMDrive was only for info...


I found in shop this:


Lead-Battery 6 V 7.0 Ah (CT Leader CT7,0-6)
===========================================
Voltage   6 V
Capacity   7.0 Ah
Dimensions L x W x H   151 x 34 x 94 mm
Connection type   Blade terminal connector 4.8 x 0.8 mm
Material   Lead/electrolyte in glass fiber wool
Charging voltage   7.25...7.45 V
Charging voltage per cell   2.42...2.48 V
Temperature range, discharge   -15...+40 °C
Weight   1.4 kg



Can have these parameters?
It's ~16EUR


Many thanks for info.


Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - battery found?
Post by: RobertB on August 27, 2010, 04:53 PM
Quote from: MIRKOSOFT on August 27, 2010, 04:22 PMCan have these parameters?
Yes.

          Now buy it,
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Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, Battery - mistake?
Post by: wte on August 28, 2010, 07:57 AM
Quote from: MIRKOSOFT on August 27, 2010, 07:35 AM
Hi!

Thank you very much for info about RAM Drive.

The battery: in manual is written Leak-acid 6V DC 6,5Ah and non-standard connector...
I got answer where was picture of battery, but really don't know what a type to buy...
This info will be also helpful.
If you can, please explain it to me (you wrote that you damaged your device: MeH instead of NiCd; maybe that was a big mistake) and I don't want to make the ame mistake.

Many thanks!

Miro

You mixed up the threads!
MeH versus NiCd relates ONLY to the RAMDrive (with internal accus) not to the RAMLink (external lead battery).

Regards WTE
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, battery - detailed info about connector
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on August 30, 2010, 09:08 PM
Hi!


I need detailed info about connector of RAMLink battery 'cause my battery has only two contacts (+/-) and no connector.


So, please send sb. photo of battery connector and write type (CINCH/JACK...etc.)


Many many thanks.


Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: Shaun_CCC(UK) on August 31, 2010, 06:07 AM
I've got a question about the RAMLink's RTC chip - my chip seems to have stopped working :-( is there a 'generic' replacement chip I can use? Or so I need something specific?

Regards,

Shaun.
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on August 31, 2010, 06:23 AM
Hi!


I have RAMLink older version (yes, ver2, but before RTC installing).
But I have RL-DOS 2.0 and I'm awaiting new RAMCard (now I have 5MB) with RTC and 16MB.
When arrives, I'll report.


Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: RobertB on August 31, 2010, 11:50 AM
Quote from: Shaun_CCC(UK) on August 31, 2010, 06:07 AM
is there a 'generic' replacement chip I can use? Or so I need something specific?
Ack!  It is specific, but I forget its name.

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Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, battery - detailed info about connector
Post by: RobertB on August 31, 2010, 12:15 PM
Quote from: MIRKOSOFT on August 30, 2010, 09:08 PM
I need detailed info about connector of RAMLink battery 'cause my battery has only two contacts (+/-) and no connector.
One wire with spade connector going to positive and another wire with spade connector going to negative on the battery.
Quote...and write type (CINCH/JACK...etc.)
On August 26 I wrote:
QuoteThe non-standard connector is just a 1/8-inch mini-plug; positive is center.
I repeat myself; the end going into the RL is a 1/8-inch mini-plug and that goes into the 1/8-inch mini-jack in the RL.  Positive is center.

          Now build that harness,
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Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: RobertB on September 03, 2010, 01:34 AM
Quote from: RobertB on August 31, 2010, 11:50 AM
It is specific, but I forget its name.
Hmm, I think it was a Dallas Semiconductor RTC.

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Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - battery mini-plug can be problem...
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on September 03, 2010, 01:44 AM
So, here's problem - this is maybe not possible to buy in Europe...?


Know you alternative?


Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on September 03, 2010, 02:00 AM
I found some connectors on European websites.


There are described as 1/8 inch connectors as equal to 3,5 mm jack.


Can I use mono 3,5 mm jack? and positive give to signal and negative to GND... ??? ?
Also can it damage my RAMLink if will be polarity not correct?


(the plug in 3,5 mm stereo jack stereo was on picture, it's larger than 3,175 mm - 1/8")
?
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: RobertB on September 03, 2010, 04:05 AM

     It's hard to believe that you can't find one of these at your local electronics store.(http://common2.csnimages.com/lf/1/hash/187/686387/1/3.5mm+Mono+Mini+Plug+to+1%2F4%22+Standard+Stereo+Phone+Jack.jpg)


          Bring the RAMLink to the store
          and have them fit one to it,
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Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - found this
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on September 03, 2010, 04:17 AM
I found this (in attachment).


Last Q is: Polarity, signal + / GND - ?


Many many thanks.


Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: RobertB on September 03, 2010, 04:41 AM
     Refer to my messages of August 26 and August 30 here --

http://www.commodore128.org/index.php?topic=3523.msg17263#msg17263 (http://www.commodore128.org/index.php?topic=3523.msg17263#msg17263)

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Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - finally
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on September 03, 2010, 04:55 AM
Can not correctly polarity damage my RAMLink?


Thank you.


Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - finally
Post by: maraud on September 03, 2010, 07:24 AM
Quote from: MIRKOSOFT on September 03, 2010, 04:55 AM
Can not correctly polarity damage my RAMLink?


Thank you.


Miro


As with most DC circuits, yes.  Sometimes you're lucky and there's a diode present to keep you from pushing current the wrong way and blowing itself up if you overpower it so you just replace the diode and that's it.




Now on to another thing, I have two of these lovely creatures, neither of them with a RTC.  I'm curious if anyone has one they can snap some pics of top and bottom as I'd like to see if it can be recreated.
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - battery contact
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on September 04, 2010, 04:43 AM
Hi!


In attachment is picrute where is signal isolated and Ground is free...
Which connect to + or -
(i don't want damage my RAMLink...)
Thanks many thanks!


Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink ALL IS OK!!!!
Post by: MIRKOSOFT on September 04, 2010, 05:40 AM
Hi!


So I tried - positive was signal, GROUND was negative - works correctly!!!!




Miro
Title: Re: New RAMLink arrived, PSU - how to do reduction from 1541-II PSU?
Post by: maraud on October 14, 2010, 12:14 PM
On every one I've worked with, positive goes to the smaller connector (which you can't see in your photo) and negative goes to the larger one with those "legs" to crimp over the cable.  Just solder them up and use a multimeter to make sure whichever wire is connected to the tip (the part past the black ring on the end) is what you hook up to the +6V side of the battery.
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